no, i am not a born again....just wanted to get some idea of what their belief is as i have always heard of them.
do they believe in "hellfire"
hellfire, isn't that a jw buzzword? They are the only I know who use it on an almost daily basis
When I was a kid, there were still a few ministers that would deliver very power messages about sin and its effect on our salvation and when the pastor gave one of these it was said that he preached "hellfire and brim stone". Today we are still instructed about sin and its effect, but the message is really subdued.
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i was wondering why the new world translation says corresponding ransom , where as others do not.
anyone know where i can go and get a translation from greek to english.. d.
Deuteronomy 32:4 NIV "He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he."
Defd you agreed earlier that perfect means without sin. IMO this verse when read with the text around it is saying that what God does he does without sin. Otherwise you would have to say that all of Adams ways were just. I do not beleive that you can use this verse to support that Adam was made perfect only that God did not sin in making Adam.
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i was wondering why the new world translation says corresponding ransom , where as others do not.
anyone know where i can go and get a translation from greek to english.. d.
Adam forfieted perfect human life
Can you show me in the Bible where Adam is perfect? I can find where he is good, but I can not find where he is perfect.
the best way for me to ask my question is to start out with a skit:.
jw: i agree that jesus is speaking of his body in john 2:19 when he calls it a temple (naos).
however, when the jews say that the temple was 46 years in the building, they use the word naos and are not refering to jesus body.
Shootist,
First, Welcome to the board.
What are your references for the statements?
Triple A
this is the last time i will post or read about the "trinity" doctrine because in my mind jehovah and jesus has enlightened me to see the real source of the so-called holy trinity.
satan is the originator of this unbiblical doctrine.
after i left jw's i felt i had to accept the trinity doctrine in order to be "saved".
I like from the Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures Edition 1969: Colossians 2:8-9, Be YOU looking at not someone YOU will be the (one) leading as booty through the philosophy and empty seduction according to the tradition of the men, according to the elementary things of the world and not according to Christ: because in him is dwelling down all the fullness of the godship bodily (bolding mine)
Edition 1985 changed godship to divinity.
Wouldn't godship be the same as godhead?
And where did the WTBTS get the word quality from?
in 1984 (shudder!
) my bud mark smith and i picketed the kingdom hall in ann arbor, michigan.
our signs had a watchtower drawn on them and said 'this religion is a snare and a racket!
I have to admit that I like the Christmas decorations. Think about the reaction in Brooklyn if one night when they turn on the lights all these Christmas decorations would light up. Especially if they could not turn them off again.
this is the last time i will post or read about the "trinity" doctrine because in my mind jehovah and jesus has enlightened me to see the real source of the so-called holy trinity.
satan is the originator of this unbiblical doctrine.
after i left jw's i felt i had to accept the trinity doctrine in order to be "saved".
Sorry for the large blank area in my previous post. But it will not let me remove it now. Perhaps one of the site monitors can remove it.
i remember my mother espousing the value in all the old publications and wanting me to read them when i was young.
as well as directives to place remaining copies of "older" books (about 10 years out of date) in the door to door work.
are they naive to the fact that the material is so outdated or do they just see the past in rose colored still new light glasses?.
Why not get your hands on the other books that deal with Revelation and ask mom to explain the contradictions?
this is the last time i will post or read about the "trinity" doctrine because in my mind jehovah and jesus has enlightened me to see the real source of the so-called holy trinity.
satan is the originator of this unbiblical doctrine.
after i left jw's i felt i had to accept the trinity doctrine in order to be "saved".
Just addressing one of your points. Exodus 7:1 NIV -
Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet.
If you are going to quote you should look at the thing. I do not see any comparison here. The word like takes away any meaning that Moses was truely a God or that he was a false god. The meaning here is that he is superior to Pharaoh, not that he in fact was God.
Even if you use a translation that does not use the word like, if you read around this passage the context is that Moses does not feel adequate to go before Pharaoh. And God is telling him not to worry that he is better than Pharaoh.
famous jehovah's witnesses
dwight d. eisenhower - u.s. president (raised jw) .
venus and serena williams - world chamption/olympic gold medalist tennis players .
Sherri Shepherd - From Everybody Loves Raymond - Robert's Police Partner
http://www.christianitytoday.com/tcw/2004/002/1.33.html for the whole article.
Part of article:
Did you always have the acting bug?
I think I was four when I decided I wanted to be famous. I would sing in our living room. I loved to entertain. I made people laugh.
All my report cards said, "Sherri's an incredible student, but she's a class clown." When we moved out of Chicago into a suburb to escape gang violence, there weren't many black people there, and we were called "niggers" a lot. I made jokes out of whatever they said. I always dealt with pain through humor.
What kind of pain?
Besides the racial insults, things were tough at home. My dad was a Christian, but my mom became a Jehovah's Witness when I was about seven. To keep the peace, my father became one, but he was miserable.
Jehovah's Witnesses believe only a remnant of 144,000 go to heaven. They believe Jesus is actually the archangel Michael, and they don't believe in the Trinity.
We immediately stopped celebrating holidays such as Christmas. Our family distanced our- selves from extended family because we weren't supposed to associate with non-Witnesses. My father questioned things, so eventually the elders excommunicated him and told us we couldn't talk to him anymore.
My mom filed for divorce, packed us up, and moved us to California when I was 17. Being a senior in a new high school, I had no friends. I didn't have a father in my home. My mom now had to work two jobs. There was no structure, so I just went crazy.
